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Doody Says, in 8-10-2006 at 14:50:15 from 199.46.199.233    

I may be splitting hairs here, but I think your statement that he couldn’t object to plagarism and that we might as well allow all shared knowledge on term papers and tests is a bit of a stretch. Namely, he passed out mixed CDs with the works of others, whom he credited. He isn’t claiming the music as his own, whereas plagarism and sharing tests and papers would be.

More likely, he would be amenable to students turning in other students’ work and saying, “This is Joe Blow’s paper, but he basically says what I believe.” This wouldn’t be plagarism, just laziness.

As far as stealing music (digitally or otherwise) is concerned, I think the “livelihood” argument is a good one except that I would wager most of the stolen music is stolen from artists who are currently multi-millionares. The starving artists are likely starving because the music industry is screwing them and not because so much of their music is being stolen.

I’m not condoning music theft, but I also don’t have a lot of sympathy for millionares missing out on a few extra bucks.

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jake Says, in 8-10-2006 at 22:44:45 from 66.32.230.130    

The question Doody, is what if someone used the same argument to steal from you. If it’s ok to steal from a multimillionair then why isn’t it ok to steal from everybody. If a homeless guy robs a college student, the same standards apply, one person has little to nothing compared to what the other has. I can’t find any basis in any good set of morals for stealing things, even things that people don’t use.

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Doody Says, in 8-11-2006 at 10:34:56 from 199.46.199.233    

Jake

I clearly said I don’t condone music theft. I simply said I don’t have much sympathy for multi-millionaire musicians who complain about people stealing their music online.

It’s not an argument “for” stealing. If someone “used that argument to steal from me”, they’d still be stealing and I’d get ‘em thrown in the can. The difference is that if they stole $100 from me, I’d feel it a lot more than a rich musician… and that’s why I don’t sympathize with the rich musicians.

To be clear: I never said it was ok to steal from anyone. I do not condone stealing. I simply don’t feel bad for rich musicians who have their songs stolen online.

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jake Says, in 8-12-2006 at 01:21:15 from 66.32.230.130    

I guess I feel differently. When my friend Edward downloads a movie on the internet, and watches it without recompensing the studio that produced it, I feel bad for them. Same goes for music. I feel bad in 2 ways. That studio, albeit rich as it is already just lost a customer, and they now have less money as a result. While one person isn’t a big deal, say 100,000 customers, people in the 18-26ish age range, and you might be a little pissed at what you could have done with that. Second the state, and federal government recieved no sales tax on the transaction, hence I recieved no benifit from the entirety of the stealing, and our Society faluters because of it. Yes Ludacris is not feeling the loss of Jimmy Jones illegally downloading “You’s a Ho”. But Jimmy’s school district in downtown Atlanta is feeling the loss of the sales tax, and the loss of income tax from our wealthy Atlanta resident. That’s why I feel bad for Luda. He can’t play his role in society, because we aren’t playing our role.

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jake Says, in 8-12-2006 at 01:22:44 from 66.32.230.130    

Sorry if I come off as an ass, I do that sometimes. Dowloading is just something that sets me off.

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katie Says, in 8-16-2006 at 14:17:30 from 70.61.91.165    

FYI – most school funding comes from property taxes, not the ones you said. Anyway, I don’t think people should be stealing, but I have a hard time believing that *most* downloading makes that much of a difference. People still buy CDs. I have heard illegally downloaded songs online and gone to the store to buy CDs of artists I never would have known otherwise.

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